GOE Testimonies: God as a Pool Player, The Christian Biochemist

Who's the better pool player: the TE God or the ID God?

Editor’s note: First, I’d like to apologize for my lack of new posts recently. You know how they say that having a new baby is a full-time job in and of itself? Well, they’re absolutely right; at least, that’s how it’s been for us. I do have a couple things in the works, but for now, here’s a couple of reader testimonies that I hope you’ll find encouraging. Please feel free to send your own story to me here.

Confessions of a former science skeptic

I have to start saying I really appreciate your site! I’ve been reading through about every article there, and its been really assuring in regards to my view on evolution and faith. Thanks!

I am currently living in Norway and study geology. That would, perhaps, not be the most natural choice a few years back, being quite uncomfortable with the whole evolution thing.

I grew up in a Christian home, and the science vs. faith debate never became a big deal, though some skepticism towards man evolving from apes was expressed at times. During high school, there was much more focus on evolution, and I was really uncomfortable with it, fearing it was in conflict with Christianity. This all came to a peak around Darwin’s 200th birthday (Feb. 12, 2009), when my science teacher decided to show a documentary of Richard Dawkins showing students all the ways evolution had disproved religion, and saying it’s all myths and fairy tales.

To our teacher’s great surprise, this didn’t hit home in our class. Even one of my atheist friends loudly proclaimed that the film was a bad idea and should not have been shown.

Obviously, I thought Dawkins had missed something, but still had a difficult time reconciling evolution with faith. Later, I heard someone say they thought microevolution to be true, but not macroevolution. It had never been observed, they said, therefore, it was not true. I thought, “Wow, that sounds reasonable and scientific,” so that was my viewpoint for a couple of years.

After high school, I attendeded a rather conservative Bible school. There was actually no teaching on science and faith, which was a bit disappointing to me. A couple of the students were young-earth creationists though, and though they did not fully convince me, our conversations did increase my skepticism towards science. My viewpoint after Bible school was something like: “God probably could have created the world in six days 6,000 years ago, science isn’t as reliable as it’s portrayed, but stil, what we observe can’t be in conflict with Christianity if it is to be true.”

Entering geology studies with a great deal of skepticism toward science was an interesting experience, to say the least. Soon, I wanted to hear from Christians studying science, and came across a video of Gordon J. Glover explaining some flaws of creationism and teaching some geology. This made me instantly order his book about the matter, “Beyond the Firmament.”

After some thorough explanation of scientific principles, Occam’s razor and such, it strengthened my trust in science. I came to see that evolution and Christianity can be reconciled. And I discovered, to my amazement, how Genesis 1 was simply giving the Hebrews a tale of creation of their own, using language and images they could understand, explaining why the earth was created, not how.

Now I find evolution strengthening my faith rather than weakening it, and God seems more awesome to me than ever. After all, using one shot to get all the pool balls in the pockets is more impressive than shooting one after one.

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‘My dream was to see evolution no longer taught in public schools’

I happened across your website the other day and felt compelled write you a word of encouragement. I am a Ph.D. student in the Molecular Biophysics and Biochemistry Department at Yale and a follower of Christ. Like I hope most Christians do, I have been spending quite some time considering how my faith impacts my work. This has led me to explore a variety of books and online resources from the entire spectrum from YEC advocates to ardent atheists. Unfortunately, it is far easier to find resources from YEC people about the dangers of theistic evolution than it is to find well-written blogs or articles from its advocates. (Even a quick Google search of “theistic evolution” quickly sends one to AiG).

With that said, I have only had time to read a few of your posts, but I want to encourage you to keep up the good work. Given the surplus of YEC embarrassments like Kent Hovind, Ray Comfort and others, it is refreshing to see a website such as yours. That is not to say I agree with everything you say or do, but I think commentary from you and others may go a long way toward furthering this discussion in evangelical circles.

If I may, I would also challenge you to be gentle in your attitudes toward YECs. I, too, have little patience with Ray Comfort and other leaders, but I believe that most Christians who listen to these leaders are well-meaning. Therefore, being firm, yet considerate, may be the best way to constructively challenge these beliefs. I say this because I am a former YEC myself, having been raised in a staunch YEC home. I held those beliefs very tightly entering my senior year of college (at a Christian university).

Fortunately, during my senior year, a professor assigned us to read “The Language of God” and I began my journey to reconsider my long-held views. (To give you an idea of how deeply entrenched these views were, I remember telling a classmate during my freshman year of college that one of my dreams was to see the day when evolution was no longer taught in public schools.) I don’t know that I would have lost my faith without that book, but it certainly helped tremendously as I began to examine evolution. It was definitely a process for me, and I was additionally blessed with humble attitudes from my professors as I asked my questions.

Again, I am very happy to see that you are sparking conversation with your site. As you continue to write, I am sure that you will receive much criticism. However, I want to encourage you and challenge you to continue to honor God as you partake in this discussion.

How has the creation/evolution debate influenced you and your spiritual journey?

Tyler Francke

  • PurpleAardvaark

    I am proud to have a “Darwin Fish” lapel pin. While some have told me that they find it offensive, I view it as a symbol of convergence because it shows the point where two very different things come together and become one which is stronger than either of its components could ever be.

  • ashleyhr

    Comment as posted by dishonest YEC bigot Issac Bourne on Facebook:

    “Here is a Christian-Creation fake site. Browse it and see if you can see what’s wrong with it and comment below.
    http://www.godofevolution.com/
    They use a lot of oxymorons in what they believe and about page, which is an atheist tactic. This is so whatever problem you have with the site, they always have an excuse and a way out. Don’t be fooled by sites that let evolution:
    1) Be on the same level as the Bible.
    2) Correct the interpretation of the Bible using evolution as their guide.
    ~ Issac”

    See:
    https://www.facebook.com/EvolutionIsALie

    I suggest that Issac should either explain HOW this is a ‘fake’ site purporting to be a Creation/Creationist site. Or else CORRECT on his page his false and misguided allegation there against another Christian.

    Bourne banned me from his page without explanation (the details are at the BCSE community forum) – thus I cannot challenge him there.

    • ashleyhr

      In fairness, I do now note that the GOE Statement of Faith page does include the following:

      “I believe God’s creation was and is very good, and serves as a reflection of his divine character. Nature, like scripture, is a book written by God, and it cannot lie, just as he cannot. Therefore, the study of nature, in good faith, will yield truth, continually revealing the grandeur breathed into it by its creator since the beginning.”
      However, despite the use of the word ‘creation’ I see no ambiguity here – and the same page also refers to ‘theistic evolutionists’.
      http://www.godofevolution.com/statement-of-faith-for-christian-theistic-evolutionists/

      However, ‘God of Evolution’ makes clear that the site is NOT creationist and certainly NOT YEC.

      How is a site which Issac disagrees with automatically ‘fake’? (Why are YECs so intolerant?)

      The GOE About page reads:
      “God of Evolution, or GOE, was launched in April 2013 to discuss and promote Christianity, evolution, the harmony between them and other perfectly reasonable things. For more information, see our statement of faith or visit our Site and Contributors pages”.

      • Of course we believe God is the ultimate creator of the universe and everything in it. As scripture says, “All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.” That does not preclude him from having used natural processes as part of his creative work.

    • Hey Ashley! Thanks for the heads up. I just responded to this libelous Facebook post, and I do hope the author takes it down or changes it. Apparently, posting false information does not break Facebook’s community guidelines, otherwise, I would report him. But at any rate, I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.

  • ashleyhr

    Based on my previous experience of Christians like Bourne, who worry about their ‘image’ to fellow fundamentalists, I predict he will pretend not to notice the criticisms and not respond to them. But I could be proven wrong.

    • We’re touched to be getting a lot of support from other commenters. Check it out: https://www.facebook.com/EvolutionIsALie/posts/455309074572227

      • He took the post down, which does not surprise me. The existence of genuine Christians who accept the theory of evolution is a huge problem for YECs. It’s just easier to pretend like we don’t exist. I did take a screenshot though:

        • ashleyhr

          Yes, I was about to post that the FRAUD Bourne instead of explaining himself (or even apologising) has instead simply removed his misleading comments AND all the criticisms of them.
          That’s the YEC solution to everything – try to rewrite history.

          • Yeah. Too bad.

          • Allen Miller

            I too have had experiences with Isaac Bourne’s pathological lying, pseudo-science, and banning of absolutely everyone who posts a sane comment on his site. He does incredible damage to public perceptions of Christians and the gospel.

          • I’ve never had any interactions with him beyond this, but the experience certainly did nothing to ingratiate me toward him.

  • llevvi

    Great testiominies! It’s such amazing to see other people being blessed by your blog as I have been to! 🙂

  • R. Clive Corbyn

    I’m getting dizzy looking for comments younger than two years ago. Did the world lose interest in this subject about then?

    • No, but this article was published two years ago. If you’d like to see more recent comments, you should check out some of my more recent articles.